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The philosophical problem with Far Eastern Religions.

  • Posted on October 24, 2011 at 8:46 pm
One thing I've noticed about religions like Buddhism, Taoism, and Yoga, is that they seek to reunite the human with the Transcendental, and "return," "home."

This is all fine and dandy, but I've come to think, "why did the Transcendental ever even create the finite Cosmos, if it is all folly and suffering?"

Here's my idea. The Transcendental (Tao, Nirvanna, etc), created the carnal, or limi

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Buddhist and/or Yoga retreats

  • Posted on October 24, 2011 at 12:23 pm
I'm interested in doing a retreat that fits the following parameters:

-held during November, December, or January
-in a place in the US with a not-very-wintry climate
-focused on either zazen or yoga (... I like diversity)
-includes teachings and practice
-housing
-reasonably priced (I know this is subjective, but y'know, just throw stuff out there)

Any recommendations? I'll do my searc

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meditations for martial arts

  • Posted on September 1, 2011 at 5:00 pm
Hey everybody, first off I want to thank everyone here at the forum for the wealth of instruction and information and insightful responses to my posts, they are much appreciated.

My main question for this thread is, can anyone give me the names of meditations or yoga that are good for martial arts?Iim especially looking for ones that increase ones fluidity and control, as well as being able to remain centered and keep the muscles relaxed, and at the same time be able to exert force effectivley. If it helps to know what style Im considering training in, its wing chun and boxing

ps. im very interested in the japanese meditations for this kind of thing, but i havent been able to find any names or books that definitivley deal with or give the names of or instructions on the meditations that are used for this kind of thing. im not really sure about this but it seems to me to be a subject that isnt really covered very much in the martial arts or occult sources that ive read

From http://www.occultcorpus.com/forum/showthread.php?13860-meditations-for-martial-arts&goto=newpost

Sumerian Magic and Ritual

  • Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:20 pm
I have been looking for good places to find pdf files of sumerian rituals and incantations, both with transliterations and translations. I also am seeking out others in the area of Portland, OR who are also studying and practicing sumerian/mesopotamian magic and traditions. I would like more access to both sumerian and later mesopotamian (babylonian/akkadian/assyrian/hittite) ritual texts, but am most interested in the sumerian practices which influenced the later invading cultures.

From http://www.occultcorpus.com/forum/showthread.php?13727-Sumerian-Magic-and-Ritual&goto=newpost

[Article] My thoughts on Karma

  • Posted on August 4, 2011 at 4:22 am
I don't believe in what comes around goes around. Most people's definition of karma.

I believe each individual has a consciousness which chooses and percieves a great deal of things everyday. One's attachments to things give something, but take away something because as Lao Tzu taught, the only thing which doesn't suffer is the Tao and the Tao has no name (properties, something to grasp), as it is the origin.

Sense all things are limited, they contain the good part, as well as the bad.

Karma is just what happens by grasping anything, you feel the warmth, then the cold.

Getting rid of karma only happens by gradually not grasping for things, having no attachments, nothing can be severed. This is true of one's world, one's body, one's mind and soul, and one's very consciousness. Consciousness may be the spark (Ki) of the Tao, but it is not the Tao in itself. Infact this is the very root of the problem, that there is a self let alone many selves to be conscious of! Pure consciousness just IS, it isn't conscious of anything other than itself. No beginning, no end, just forever now. A static point, beyond space, dimension, and time.

All things have karma, but some use it better than others. It's like being traped under a mountain, one can simply dig anywhere, or dig a specific direction which leads out of the mountain. Eventually all paths lead to the same place, but some are shorter than others, such is the difference between a master's and an unenlightened's karma.

One last thing, karma is never cosmic justice. That's a sentient value, and applies no where else. Karma is simply cause and effect and the majority are to naive to even begin to speculate on how things work in relation to karma. Best to focus on self mastery, the path of liberation from the ego, and only be aware of one's own karma. Not other's, not the world's.

From http://www.occultcorpus.com/forum/showthread.php?13685-My-thoughts-on-Karma&goto=newpost

Hero Worship?

  • Posted on July 13, 2011 at 6:23 pm
I've been reading a few books about tantra and one word that pops up alot is the word "hero worship".

Now I realize this means something very different concerning Eastern Paths compared to what the traditional definition is in the west. But what is it exactly mean and what are some good examples of it, especially in the Hindu and Tantra traditions?

From http://www.occultcorpus.com/forum/showthread.php?13559-Hero-Worship&goto=newpost

Questions about Tibetan Buddhism

  • Posted on July 10, 2011 at 6:17 am
My nan has a Tibetan painted Tapestry which she's had for years on her front door. She knows it is Tibetan but she doesn't know who the figures are. The pics can be viewed in this album here.

I did some Googling and found out that there is in Tibetan Buddhism a being called Mahakala which is sometimes represented with six, four or two arms.

The tapestry has one figure at the top and one figure at the bottom with two arms and four arms, respectively. The figure in the middle looks as if it has eight arms; could the middle figure and the other two be of Mahakala? And is the middle figure standing on the same spot as four other figures or are they all part of the one figure?

I have some other close-up photos of the figures in the tapestry, if needed.

And thank you if you know or have some clues.

From http://www.occultcorpus.com/forum/showthread.php?13532-Questions-about-Tibetan-Buddhism&goto=newpost

Chinnamasta

  • Posted on May 25, 2011 at 5:08 pm
I've noticed there is very little information about this goddess and I've decided to correct that.

Chinnamasta:
The Self-Decapitated Goddess





Victory to the light of the world, giver of a good ending to the universe, to her whose forehead is lovely with charming locks.

I meditate upon the Goddess Chinnamasta who is seated in the center of the Sun's disk and holds in her left hand her own severed head with gaping mouth, her hair is disheveled and she is drinking the stream of blood gushing out from her own neck. She is seated on the Rati and Kamadeva who are engaged in sexual dalliance, and she is rejoicing with her friends Dakini and Varnini.

She stands in an aggressive manner with her leg put forward. She is holding her own severed head in one hand and a sword in the other. She is naked and happily drinks the blood from her headless body. She has three eyes and is adorned with a blue lotus at her heart.
One should meditate on Chinnamasta, who has the complexion of a red hibiscus flower. She stands on Kama and Rati, who are joined in sexual intercourse. To her right is Varnini, who is possessed by rajas guna, who is white in color, with loose hair, and who holds a sword and a skull cup. She happily drinks the blood gushing from the devi's severed neck. On her left is Dakini, who also drinks the blood flowing from Chinnamasta's headless body. She is possessed by tamas guna and enjoys the world in its state of dissolution. One should meditate on this goddess who bestows blessings on her devotees.

Possible Prototypes

Chinnamasta does not have a wide spread cult in Hinduism and does not seem to have had a very developed history prior to her appearance as one the Mahavidyas. Like Tara, however, she also appears in tantric Buddhism, where she is known as Vaja-yogini (discussed below). Althrough we are unable to find early references to Chinnamasta or evidence of an early cult associated with her, certain goddesses, or images of female beings, have been suggested as her prototypes because of some peculiarity they share with her, such as being headless, naked, bloodthirsty, or violent.
Several examples have been discovered in India of nude goddesses squatting or with their thighs spread to display their sexual organs. These figures, some very ancient, usually depicted on stone bas-relief, often have their arms raised about their bodies and are headless, or faceless.
Their headless condition is not the result of subsequent damage but an intentional part of the image.
The combination of nudity and headlessness, it has been suggested, may indicate that Chinnamasta had an ancient prototype in India. The arresting iconographic feature of these images is their sexual organs, which are openly displayed. If the headlessness of the figures suggests death or self-destruction, it lacks the force of the Chinnamasta icon. More likely, the nude figures simply focuses attention on the generative physiology and creativity. Althrough the Chinnamasta image includes an emphasis on sexual activity, life and nourishment (discussed below), the central iconographic characteristic of the goddess is her shocking self-decapitation.
Other nudes goddess figures have been suggested as possible prototypes of Chinnamasta. One of these is the fierce, wild goddess Kotavia. Kotavia is usually associated with battlefields and is sometimes included among the lists of Matrkas. Sometimes she is an opponent of Visnu, and the Vinu-purana and the Bhagavata-purana describes her as naked, disheveled, and of such disgusting appearance that Visnu had to turn his head away from her lest he become incensed by her. In this myth she tries to protect the demon Banasura, who is her son in the Bhagavata-purana account. Althrough the descriptions of Kotavi empathize her nudity and wild appearance, she seems quite different in character from Chinnamasta. Her typical hauint is the battlefield, not the cermation ground (althrough both are places of death), and she seems to be a fierce demoness whose primary role is to terrify or distract enemies during battle. Her character is usually malevolent. Chinnamasta's character is fierce, but not necessarily malevolent, and althrough in her thousand-name hymn she is associated with the battlefield she is rarely shown there in her iconography.
A South Indian hunting goddess called Korravai is similar in name and character to Kotavi. She is fierce, bloodthirsty, and wild. She receives blood sacrifices and haunts the battlefield, where she gvictory. Again, it has been suggested that she may be another expression of the type of goddess that inspired Chinnamasta. Chinnamasta, however, is not usually described as a warrior goddess, and what rivets the viewer's attention is her self-decapitation. Althrough in her thousand-name hymns Chinnamasta is said to like blood, and at her few shrines and temples she receives blood sacrifices, the emphasis with Chinnamasta, unlike Korravai, is not so much on her demanding and recieving blood as on her giving her own blood to her devotees.

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Zen quotes

  • Posted on May 25, 2011 at 6:37 am
Is there a book full of quotes by Zen monks and masters on dealing with other people?
What is it called?

To illustrate what I am looking for, here is this quote I am going to use as an example and I may not know this exactly word by word, but here it goes:

A samurai once asked a zen monk, " What is hell?"
"Why should I tell you? You are nothing more then a peasant armed with a sword."
The monk replied.
Insulted, the samurai drew his sword and anger and pointed it at the monk.
"Now that is hell.", said the monk.
The samurai, realizing what the monk was doing, sheathed his sword, bowed, thank the monk for his teaching and apologized for his rash anger.
"Now that is heaven," The monk said as he graciously bowed back, accepting the noble's apology.

From http://www.occultcorpus.com/forum/showthread.php?13286-Zen-quotes&goto=newpost

technique to build willpower

  • Posted on May 19, 2011 at 5:33 pm
does anybody know of a meditation or yoga excersise that is supposed to build ones willpower?. im also looking for ones that can improve ones memory.

From http://www.occultcorpus.com/forum/showthread.php?13263-technique-to-build-willpower&goto=newpost

meditation to imrpove visualization skills

  • Posted on May 17, 2011 at 11:41 am
does anybody know of any meditations that can imrpove ones visualization skills?

From http://www.occultcorpus.com/forum/showthread.php?13245-meditation-to-imrpove-visualization-skills&goto=newpost

Puja

  • Posted on May 15, 2011 at 7:38 pm
What books would you recommend for Puja for various Hindu and Tantric Gods and Goddesses?

Not being particular, just wish to know more about this path and actually practice it. Except I heard I have to go through Ganesha first before performing any right and afterwards. Is this true?

From http://www.occultcorpus.com/forum/showthread.php?13239-Puja&goto=newpost

Interesting website

  • Posted on May 5, 2011 at 1:35 am
http://www.sanatansociety.org/semina...ideo_truth.htm

This is a link to a series of videos on jnana yoga. The rest of this site is full of information and videos on various aspects of hindu philosophy. Enjoy!

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meditation to imrpove memory and concentration

  • Posted on May 1, 2011 at 11:49 am
does anyone here know of any yogic or meditative techniques that improve ones memory and concentration? im also looking for ones that can increase your dream recall and comprehension. the only solid thing ive been able to find so far, is aleister crowley's book on meditation, can anybody here reccomend anything else?

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Kali Worship

  • Posted on April 30, 2011 at 12:06 am
How do I worship and call upon her for protection safely?

From http://www.occultcorpus.com/forum/showthread.php?13178-Kali-Worship&goto=newpost

Can anyone Identify this?

  • Posted on April 17, 2011 at 5:53 pm
hello,
I cant find any photos of this but I will try to describe it in detail what i saw in one of my meditations.

As I was meditating I saw:

a blue, female type entity.
In full lotus position. Head facing to the right. Both arms crossed above her chest WITH in each hand a short black shepperds hook.
So like the staff of a shepperd but with a bow at the end.
She had golden wings.

She had weird necklace which was sort of like a partial breast plate.

The necklace I was talking about was bit like a large cresent shape which covered her to just above the solar plexus.

She had wrist and ankle bracelets which were full, made of gold and about 20 cm long. Black hair.

Without trying to analyse during the meditation (otherwise it probably would have disapeared) I got the impression it was somehow ancient...possibly egyptian...even though i never studied egyptian history. Tried to do some googling and could'nt find anything.

Just wondering can anyone ID this entity or was it just a wild imagination.?

any help would be appreciated?

cheers:confused::?:

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HELP! Kundalini Yoga and the Magnetic Problem

  • Posted on April 17, 2011 at 5:02 am
Hi, I had asked this question in another thread of mine, but due to the lack of response, I decided to post a new thread altogether concerning this aspect.

When practicing Kundalini Yoga, the use of the root lock allows to mix reproductive energy along with the kundalini energy that moves up the spine. This leads to ENORMOUS magnetism and in consequence, the people around you tend to be either attracted or intimidated.

I reasoned that it had something to do with the aura. Also, nobody can keep eye contact with me except those that are really close to me, and probably got used to my aura and its expansion in a gradual way by being around all the time. And even then, I can sense when my magnetism is affecting them. I've done a million tests, and there's no doubt about it: the reproductive energy that mixes with prana is the cause for magnetism. This is also what people call charisma, I guess.

But then, that leads to a problem. I want it to stop. I can't walk around on the streets unnoticed, and I can't take public transport without everyone staring at me or pointedly avoiding to. It's really uncomfortable. When someone starts a conversation with me, it's more often than not because of this same magnetisam, because I haven't been getting that kind of treatment from people before beginning Yoga.

So how do I continue my Yoga, while shutting off my magnetic presence at will? Do I have to somehow find a way to shut off my aura's emanations? Or is there some other way? I would really like to know how all you other kundalini Yoga practicionners cope with this, because it's really becoming problematic. Thanks!!

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Traditional Qi (chi) Exersizes

  • Posted on March 22, 2011 at 9:04 pm
Looking for websites and even books (free PDF best, though paperback ok), on traditonal Qi exersizes and meditations. Found a few online but not much.

Thanks, - ChaosTech

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Closing energy centres

  • Posted on March 15, 2011 at 3:13 pm
Anyone know any good techniques for closing the energy centres? I find it highly annoying that the 3rd eye gives me bliss and euphoria even though my emotions say
that I'm angry and sad. Kind of ruins the human experience. If I want to cry the bliss
keeps pumping in and I can't cry.

Another issue is that because the 3rd eye is open all the time I feel all the energies
that interract with me which is highly unnerving and gives me episodes of panic.

Thanks!

From http://www.occultcorpus.com/forum/showthread.php?12862-Closing-energy-centres&goto=newpost

Questions about the Hindu Pantheon

  • Posted on March 13, 2011 at 7:00 am
What books can you guys recommend that contain information about the personalities and how to worship the following two deities?
Ganesha
Kali Ma?

Also, is there a book that introduces the reader to the most important deities in this religion?

From http://www.occultcorpus.com/forum/showthread.php?12840-Questions-about-the-Hindu-Pantheon&goto=newpost

Good hatha yoga program

  • Posted on February 27, 2011 at 5:53 am
Hello.

I've been practicing hatha yoga independently for a few months. There is no yoga center in the city where I live so that's quite disappointing for me. I use websites I find for asanas and other techniques however it is all rather unsatisfying.
Do you know a website (or maybe even a book) that offers a solid hatha yoga program?
Thanks!

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Albanian black magic?

  • Posted on February 21, 2011 at 4:11 am
Hello, brand new to the site. I'm not sure if I'm posting in the correct section... Albania is technically in Europe but it is largely Muslim, giving it a more "Eastern" aspect, but feel free to move this if I have miscategorized, and I apologize if I have.

I recently spoke with a gentleman who is being persecuted by Albanian black magic. I myself have had a desire to learn in such an area for around six years but have found basically nothing about it. I have even used Google Translator to use Albanian words in my searches to get Albanian pages to translate back into English, and still no luck.

I was wondering if anyone could direct me to a website (in any language), or a book (in English) that deals with Albanian black magic? I would be most grateful.

The only clues I have are that the attacker used a broken egg, a nail, and some rags. I am no longer in contact with the victim, sadly. I say this because I learned more about this subject from him in half an hour than I have online in six years!

I hope I'm not breaking any rules here. The victim insisted there is no such information on the internet and casts a great deal of doubt as to whether anything of its kind has been put in print. As you can probably understand, this only makes me more curious.

Thank you.

From http://www.occultcorpus.com/forum/showthread.php?12710-Albanian-black-magic&goto=newpost

Tibetan black magick

  • Posted on January 11, 2011 at 7:42 am
I've heard a lot of people in our local esoteric community bring this up and say it's somehow connected to vajrayana..how does this practice work..

From http://www.occultcorpus.com/forum/showthread.php?12471-Tibetan-black-magick&goto=newpost

[Article] Japanese Temple Incorporates Anime with Buddhism

  • Posted on December 31, 2010 at 2:11 pm


Those who’ve been following (for example) Osamu Tezuka’s Buddha graphic novel and its film adaptation, or Deepak Chopra’s “Buddha” comic book, know that it’s not so new to mix Buddhism and comics. But it does seem to work, and one Buddhist temple is getting in on the act.

Read More Here...

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Good books on tantra

  • Posted on October 28, 2010 at 2:56 pm
Yes, I am looking for recommendations. From what I've read, there is left-hand and right-hand tantra. My area of interest is the latter. Hah, seems short but that's all there is to be said.

Thank you!

From http://www.occultcorpus.com/forum/showthread.php?11899-Good-books-on-tantra&goto=newpost

Good books on tantra

  • Posted on October 28, 2010 at 2:56 pm
Yes, I am looking for recommendations. From what I've read, there is left-hand and right-hand tantra. My area of interest is the latter. Hah, seems short but that's all there is to be said.

Thank you!

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Looking For Good Taoist Resources

  • Posted on October 28, 2010 at 6:35 am
I was just curious if any one knows about any good books or websites that elaborates more on some of the more esoteric aspects of Taoism. I have the Tao Te Ching, but it doesn't really discuss esoteric techniques.

Any help would be much appreciated.

From http://www.occultcorpus.com/forum/showthread.php?11898-Looking-For-Good-Taoist-Resources&goto=newpost

why is buddhism so popular?

  • Posted on October 11, 2010 at 12:25 pm
ultimately Buddhism finds there is no god,no self,no higher self,no soul.when you peel the onion of the self,when you get to the center of the tootsie roll there is nothing but emptiness,all is an elaborate illusion....There is no wizard behind the curtain.Why is that appealing?That behind it all is no higher purpose?What makes a Buddhist any different from an average compassionate atheist who basically states the same thing?They have arrived at the same conclusion with out the orange robe and all the complex Buddhist sutra's and scriptures.I just don't get Buddhism or i should say the appeal of Buddhism.There is no real end game or anything to strive for,for all is just illusion anyways in their view.

From http://www.occultcorpus.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11730&goto=newpost

Vedic/Hindu Conjuring in Holy Texts?

  • Posted on October 5, 2010 at 12:59 am
Is there any reference to the conjuring of spirits in Hindu/Vedic sources? Zoroastrian? Specifically, any accounts of any rituals associated with this? Hell, even any Tantric sources, although it would be preferred if we were dealing with more orthodox sources.

I am thinking primarily of the Atharvaveda, as it has most of the magic associated with orthodox Hinduism.

From http://www.occultcorpus.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11676&goto=newpost

Wakefulness in Zazen?

  • Posted on October 3, 2010 at 3:47 pm
I have a bit of confusion over the goal of Zazen. Why is it that the eyes are kept open? From what I understand, this is to keep one from falling asleep. I've found that I can stay awake and concentrated with my eyes closed though. When the eyes are open I can apply the 'non-discriminating' attitude to my vision and this gives me no different of an experience from keeping them closed. However Zazen wants you to be 'wakeful' by keeping your eyes slightly open. Wakefulness comes from not restraining the eye's wandering from place to place in search of object to focus on. Then the eyes are kept slightly closed in order to prevent it from locking on to any specific thing. Is training the agitation to 'non-discrimination' the goal as with allowing the mind to forget the pains of the body? Basically what I'm getting at is that keeping the eyes open is a form of agitation that goes against the principle of one-mindedness. So does this agitation/wakefulness separate Zen from other paths? Am I simply skipping a step used to train the eye against that agitation? Does this agitation actually enhance the meditative experience?

-edited to coherency

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Chögyam Trungpa Not a Holy Man?

  • Posted on September 21, 2010 at 4:43 pm
I have been reading Reginald Ray's work lately and I am enjoying it thoroughly. I read that his guru was Chögyam Trungpa, so I decided to read a bit about him and I was rather appalled by some of things he did and the successor that he chose to represent his teachings.

To me some of the things that he did reminded me of the things I've seen cult leaders do. I don't doubt that the man was highly knowledgeable on TB and tantra, but many of his actions seemed wrong.

The act of putting Ösel Tendzin in charge seemed like poor judgement at best, particularly for someone who is supposed to be wise and have supernatural insight. When I read about Tendzin raping a man with the help of other men from the group, I was utterly shocked.

I know that there are people on the OC who are much more knowledgeable on the subject than I am and I would like to hear their take on Chögyam Trungpa and Ösel Tendzin.

From http://www.occultcorpus.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11529&goto=newpost

Thich Nhat Hanh’s "No Death, No Fear"

  • Posted on September 17, 2010 at 1:54 pm
Dear friends,

I have read quite a few books about Zen Buddhism over the years, but Thich Nhat Hanh's No Death, No Fear is the one that I find myself returning to again and again for inner sustenance and insight.

One of the teachings in the book that has meant the most to me is the teaching that the true nature of all things is of the nature of:
  • no-birth and no-death (existence)
  • not-same and not-different (space)
  • no-coming and no-going (movement)
  • no-permanence and no-annihilation (time)

We can analyze anything in the universe and find it to have these characteristics. Let us consider the case of a cloud.

1. No-birth and No-death. A cloud does not come into being out of nothing and thus is not "born" or "created," but rather forms dependently out of pre-existing water vapour. A cloud also does not "die" or return to nothing; when it rains, the cloud becomes the rain.

2. Not-same and Not-different. Is a cloud the same or different from moment to moment? It cannot be called the same because it is changing every instant. It cannot be called different because it is not a completely separate cloud; the cloud of a moment ago has a continuum of being with the cloud from this moment. The atomic components are still there, though the form of the cloud has changed. Thus, by looking deeply, we can see that a cloud is also of the nature of not-same and not-different. (The example of a candle flame from one moment to the next is another wonderful example of this idea).

3. No-coming and No-going. Does a cloud come into being out of a void and return to the void? We must answer that the cloud does not come into being from nothing or return to nothing; when a cloud's sufficient conditions are met, the cloud manifests itself. When these conditions are not met, the cloud simply does not manifest itself. So, the cloud is also of the nature of no-coming and no-going; it does not come out of nowhere and return to nowher. It simply manifests or does not manifest depending on whether the conditions are right for it to do so.

4. No-permanence and no-annihilation. Finally, a cloud is also of the nature of no-permanence and no-annihilation. Few things seem more ephemeral to us than a cloud. Certainly, a cloud is not permanent; within a moment, it has changed, taken some other shape, or fallen back to the earth as rain. However, a cloud also cannot be annihilated; even if a cloud is dispersed, the basic chemical elements that make it up do not disappear into nothing. They simply take new forms, bonding with other molecules and forming rain or gases. So, the cloud is not permanent but it also cannot be annihilated.

***


This profound teaching can lead us to look deeply at anything in the universe that we care to consider. We can also look at the constituents of our own being in much the same way. Our own body-minds are of the nature of no-bith, no-death, no-coming, no-going, no-permanence, no-annihilation, and not-same, not-different. In this sense, we have no permanent self--this is the teaching of anatman--but we also cannot be annihilated into nothing. The chemical constituents of our bodies will simply take new molecular forms upon our passing.

Realizing this brings a great deal of peace and serenity, as well as freedom from fear. When we see that our loved ones are not annihilated when they die, but simply take other forms, we know that we are never alone. They have not gone into nothing; conditions are simply no longer sufficient for them to manifest in their prior form. However, they continue to manifest in new forms: the water in their bodies evaporates and forms clouds, rain, and returns to rivers; the nutrients and chemicals in their bodies return to the soil and the organisms of the earth; their words and actions continue to have consequences; the memories they have given other people continue to act upon the world. The organization of the person as a person is lost with death, but they continue to be present with us in these multifarious manifestations. This brings great comfort.

What do you think of these teachings? Have you read this book as well or any others by Thich Nhat Hanh that you enjoyed?

Take care,
Adam

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